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Re: Renault 19 C2J 790 карб

Posted: 22 Oct 2018, 19:10
by Zastava128
Hello.
That's a Renault distributor by Ducellier.
Renault mecahnical distributor.jpg
There are three numbers for the code of centrifugal advance and two for the canister advance.
I found other ignition advance curves,probably are from R 4 and F4.
Ignition curves.jpg
Ignition curves.jpg
Many curves aren't new,it's a long liust to check,C 52 is new, I'mnot sure about centrifugal curves but I think thre is something new.
Bye.

Re: Renault 19 C2J 790 карб

Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 02:00
by Zastava128
Hello.
That's a distributor from a Dacia.
Electroprecizie 3230.jpg
Electroprecizie distributor.jpg
I can't see the last number,maybe the code is 3239?
They are from Cleon Fonte engines,they are Renault derived.
The codes on distributors are different from Ducellier ones but ignition curves can be equal.
I found some datas.
Dacia 13xx.JPG
Dacia engines.JPG
Dacia distributors -3239-3332.JPG
There's the code C34 for the canister curve.
Engines 106-00--106-02 ignition curve-Electroprecizie3332.JPG
Manuals aren't very accurated, I saw the same degree values of distributors on injected manuals so I ignored that manual.
Dacia Nova.JPG
Nova engines.JPG
Nova distributors.JPG
3239.JPG

Re: Renault 19 C2J 790 карб

Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 02:04
by Zastava128
3332.100.JPG
3334.JPG
It's strange to see a 1289cc engined Nova.
Bye.
Hello.
At the moment there are three different distributors only.
The problem is that on manuals datas about curves are little different.
The next is from a 1300 manual.
Dacia 1300.JPG
Dacia 1300 engine.JPG
Dacia 1300 distributor.JPG
Dacia 1300 centrifugal advance.JPG
Dacia 1300 canister advance.JPG
Bye.

Re: Renault 19 C2J 790 карб

Posted: 24 Oct 2018, 04:18
by Zastava128
Hello.
Another manual.
Manual.jpg
Dacia.jpg
Engines.jpg
Dacia engines.JPG
Distributors-I°.jpg
Distributors-II°.jpg
3230.JPG
3233-3239-3332.JPG
Bye.

Re: Renault 19 C2J 790 карб

Posted: 25 Oct 2018, 00:25
by Zastava128
Hello.
From other Dacia manuals.
Manual.JPG
3230-3233.JPG
R251-A96.JPG
C33.JPG
Nothing new.
Manual-.JPG
Dacia.JPG
Dacia engines.JPG
3230-3233-3239.JPG
If there are three distributors datas on a manual they add two graphic the same for canisters.
Electroprecizia doen't make distribuotrs anymore, you can buy a new one of course, I don't know who makes them.
On the Asam catalogue there is the coil only for old ignitions,nothing else.
You can find a new distributor in a shop on line but it's always the same for all engines.
Once upon a time i tried to ask Electroprecizia for more details but tehy din't answer,it was manu years ago.
The distrbutors were different ,I never understood all details.
It isn't a problem, by a programmable ignition you can get a better ignition map, it takes some tests so I don't care too much if infos on manuals aren't always the same,if they are approximmated.
Bye.

Re: Renault 19 C2J 790 карб

Posted: 04 Nov 2018, 20:46
by Zastava128
Hello.
Maybe my qustions about 19 Europa could seem funny or stupid.
I didn't know about that version, now I found its brochure.
RENAULT 19 EUROPA HATCHBACK.jpg
RENAULT 19 EUROPA-Turkey.jpg
Are there differences between the 19 Europa sold in Turkey and abroad?
Can somebody add any information useful for engine swap,parts or tuning,please?
RENAULT 19.jpg
RENAULT 19 EUROPA.jpg
RL-RNA1,4-RNE1,6e.jpg
RENO 19 EVROPA.jpg
EVROPA.jpg
1,4-1,6 EVROPA.jpg
The turkish 1.6 is 1565cc, the other one is 1598cc, the second engine has got more hp.
There are no infos about its bore and stroke but it could be a stoker version of C2J like 1.6s from old Dacias.
Bye.

Re: Renault 19 C2J 790 карб

Posted: 05 Nov 2018, 22:09
by Zastava128
Hello.
That's a Ducellier distributor from a persian R5.
Ducellier.jpg
I don't know nothing about the car where it's from.
I have a confusion about Saipa,Sepand and all other brands and names.
I found that picture.
RENAULT 5 TL.jpg
Maybe it's by Saipa but I can't understand why there is the Renault brand.
Maybe they used to import parts to build tem, I saw other part made in France or abroad, on an old used gerabox I could read "Industria Argentina".
I try to find the story of the persian car but somewhere there are written different things.
I found the brochure of Sepand PK, a R5 body on a kia Pride platform.
Pars-Khodro-Sepand-PK-car-body-Renault-5.jpg
Pars-Khodro-Sepand-PK-car-body-Renault-5-.jpg
Generally You found around infos about an injected 1300 engine, somewhere is talked about a 1100 engine from Hyundai but I think it's a wrong info.
I was fortunate to have found that whole bochure. Unfortunately I didn't find the same for Sepand and Sepand II.
They were made before the PKs.
Pars Khodro SEPAND.jpg
That's the same as the Saipa 5.
The Sepand II is just a little bit different.
Pars Khodro SEPAND II.jpg
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The quality of Sepand isn't the same as Saipa.
I fount those too but I'mnot sure they are genuine because the car pictures.
SEPAND II.jpg
SEPAND PK.jpg
There are Sepand II engine code and its capacity.
Are there 1108 engined only?
What were engines used by Saipa?
The power of Sepand II engines is very low.
Even if I don't know all persian engines specs I'm nearly sure that it's possible to find ignition curves in the long list i did.
I often saw people adding a temperature gauge on that car.
I like very much the one added by the factory on Sepands.
Digital clock and gauge.JPG
Bye.

Re: Renault 19 C2J 790 карб

Posted: 09 Feb 2019, 23:28
by Zastava128
Hello.
Other ignition curves from a Renault Clio distributor.
R.350.JPG
D.90A.JPG
The timing advance at the idle is 10°,the engine code is C1E.
That's from R 11 manual.
Renault 11.JPG
The same as the Super 5 workshop manual,no new ignition curves.
Other ignition curves from Renault 4 workshop manual,nothing new.
Renault 4 by IMV-R.252-R.284.JPG
R.252.JPG
R.284.JPG
The last one should be new,I couldn't find the R.280 on previous pages.
IMV-Renault 4-R.280-C.52.JPG
R.280.JPG
C.52.JPG
Bye.

Re: Renault 19 C2J 790 карб

Posted: 06 Feb 2020, 03:24
by Zastava128
Hello.
Maybe I understood where they found ignition curves for their own manuals.
Curves.JPG
Engines.JPG
Ignition curves.JPG
They used to add ignition datas on old spare parts catalogues.
Marchal-catalogue-allumeurs-1976-1.jpg
Marchal-catalogue-allumeurs-1976-2.jpg
Marchal-catalogue-allumeurs-1976-3.jpg
Ducellier-allumage-1966.jpg
Ducellier-catalogue-allumage-1983.jpg
you still must find user's manuals to know the static advance.
I'm still looking for catalogues like those.
Bye.

Re: Renault 19 C2J 790 карб

Posted: 11 Sep 2020, 01:29
by Zastava128
Hello.
I found a Magneti Marelli distributor for Renault. The ignition curve codes are the same like the Ducellier one.
S180F.jpg
S180F R335 D83.jpg
Magneti Marelli S180F.jpg
The same vacuum canister is used on S180D, S180E and S180F.
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There are no 1.6 E engines. There are 1.6 K engines.
E7J K7M.JPG
The tuned 1.6 engine with ITB I found couldn't be an E engine evem if the cover on the top is from that.
Maybe it's posssible to fit am E cilinder head on a K engine block.
The carnkshaft pulley with the trigger wheel and the sensor braket were customized.
Poulie d'accessoires Alu sur mesure avec cible volant.jpg
Support capteur volant taillé masse.jpg
I saw a K7M engine with bike carbs and distributor from VW.
Dacia Nova - K7M 720 + carburatoare moto.jpg
I don't knok from what car the distributor is from but I think it should be a breakerless one.
If it's so it can be used as a trigger source for the programamble ignition.
Bye.