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Сообщение 13 янв 2016, 01:26

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They are the same, except embedded MAP. Same PCB.
Yes it is possible either, to install embedded MAP or to connect external one.
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Сообщение 16 янв 2016, 04:39

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Hello.
I have a confusion,that's why I didn't pay enough attention to the documentation.
That's for the SECU-3T units on sale at the shop now, it's written but I didn't see it.

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I didn't realize that there were different wiring diagram.
It's the same for embedded MAP or external one.
Those are the right exemples for the 3Ts I asked before.







Is it everything right?
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Сообщение 16 янв 2016, 22:05

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Yes, everything are right. Moreover, these are only examples. So, you can build your custom wiring...
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Сообщение 17 янв 2016, 23:16

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Hello.
Thank you very much.
I'm just thinking of a custom wiring.
Pin 3 of J7 is for throttle limit switch,now I know what it is.
In case of injection it's used for TPS,what is its function?
If I want to use a TPS as limit switch with a carburator can I follow the exemple of TPS with injection?
If I want to use a TPS for engine load instead of a MAP must I use pin 7 of J5?
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Сообщение 18 янв 2016, 17:15

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Hi,
In case of injection it's used for TPS,what is its function?

Yes, this input can be used either for simple switch or TPS. In second case, you will need to disconnect pull-up resistor R57 on PCB.
If I want to use a TPS as limit switch with a carburator can I follow the exemple of TPS with injection?

Yes, you can. Software allows using of TPS as limit switch (you can tune special threshold value in software).
If I want to use a TPS for engine load instead of a MAP must I use pin 7 of J5?

Yes, you must connect TPS to J5/7, at least in current versions of firmware. I plan change this behavior in the future, so TPS can be connected to J7/3 and used for engine load.
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Сообщение 19 янв 2016, 02:18

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Hello.
I saw other exemples.



There is the distributor like in the first exemple but there is a VR sensor and external MAP.

The next has got two ignition module and two coils for wasted spark mode.



The next has got a two channel ignition module.



There is something strange, I don't see IGN_OUT2 linked.
In the next one cam sensor isn't optional element.



There's written phased,I understood.
I don't understand the note about 5,6,7, 8. Is it reffererd in case of phased ignition for engine till 8 cylinders?
The exemple is for a 4 cylinders,right?
In the exemples the cam sensor is always an Hall sensor but it's possible to use a VR sensor too.



I tried to guess it.
Now it's better about wiring.
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Сообщение 20 янв 2016, 03:21

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The next has got a two channel ignition module.
There is something strange, I don't see IGN_OUT2 linked.

Looks strange because this ignition module has only one input. First channel fired by rising edge, second channel fired by falling edge. This module produced in Russia.

I don't understand the note about 5,6,7, 8. Is it referred in case of phased ignition for engine till 8 cylinders?

Yes, it refers to engines with number of cilinders > 4 (5,6,8).
The example is for a 4 cylinders,right?

Yes, the example is for 4 cylinder engine (how to build full-sequential ignition for 4cyl).

Last picture (Wiring_DUI_DNO_14+12.png) shows how to connect two VR sensors in case of using non-missing teeth wheel.
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Сообщение 25 янв 2016, 22:49

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Hello.
Thank you very much.
That module didn't let me sleep, it's still a mistery for me...
Unfortunately I can't uderstand your explation about it.
I found it in the exemples.





The exemples of Vaz 21099 and Tavria 1102 are the right ones for the installation of two VR sensors, aren't they?
Now I have a question that I can't explain... I hope you understand.
It's about that russian module.
If I used it must I "tell " it to Secu-3? Does it take a special function?
The Vaz 2106 of the exemples uses an ignition module and a distributor.







That module is made in Russia too,maybe the same brand.
He could use the wasted spark ignition without a second phase sensor owing to the 60-2 trigger wheel.



If we swap the module and the coil only will it work fine?
I tought of that question many times... I don't think it works fine if I use the output 1 in the same way as with the distributor.
Sorry for the confusion.
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Сообщение 27 янв 2016, 00:02

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That module didn't let me sleep, it's still a mistery for me...
Unfortunately I can't uderstand your explation about it.


Don't think about it, because it is full of shit. The only advantage of this module is that it uses single input for control of two channels. You can not achieve good dwell time with it (it will be very hot on idling).
:). Use separate igniters (like BIP373, or IRGB14C40L).

If we swap the module and the coil only will it work fine?

I suggest to use two separate ignition drivers instead of this module. Of course in this case you need two outputs from SECU-3 unit (IGN_OUT1, IGN_OUT2).

The exemples of Vaz 21099 and Tavria 1102 are the right ones for the installation of two VR sensors, aren't they?

Yes. In these examples non-missing tooth wheels(flywheel) are used and it requires additional VR sensor (for origin reference).
You don't need second VR sensor in case of 60-2 (N-2 or N-1), because it has a gap, which acts as origin reference.

It's about that russian module.
If I used it must I "tell " it to Secu-3? Does it take a special function?

In this case (shit module) you should use firmware with "2chig" in its name.
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Сообщение 27 янв 2016, 05:33

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Hello.
Thank you very much.
It's funny to see russian modules in Ukraine and viceversa.
I never tought of using that module. I wished to know about it only. I can't buy it.
I saw modules made in Ukraine and they sell them for export too.
I saw many Oka with home made ignition, coilpack from Lada 16v,unknow circuits, I couldn't understand if they were TCI or CDI ignitions.
The simplest ignition I saw was one modded taken from Samara, standard coil instead of wasted spark one and a cap on the distributor with three cables, ignition module made in UA.
Is it possible to use a 16-1 trigger wheel too? From 16 to 200,right? N-1 or N-2 only?
I asked people if they can be interesting in secu3, at the moment I found nobody.
I must wait owing to money problem,I'll try to learn as more as possible.
I have a question about custom office tax, does somebody know about it in Russia for thing shipped from Ukraine?
I know somebody spending summer holyday there.
Thank you very much.
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